Music has never been seen like paintings where the painting is unique and has a history that it brings with it nor is there much prestige in mass produced objects. For example ANCIANT, how much do I want this……? Patience will get you there, folks! It is the room. The fact that the Rykos are – give or take – still the best versions for expanded Bowie 27/28 years later is pretty depressing… although David properly had much to do with that, I suspect. I’ll try posting two more posts with the rest of my thoughts… :-). instrument (!) I think of Pop Culture as something that should by definition be accessible to everyone. They come with a replica tourbook. In terms of cost it can be but is it luxurious? – The Floyd early years box: I was lucky enough to get this for only £100, but the £500 price tag seemed crazy. but how many 13 year olds these days care about chart positions? But still,I’d be shocked if more than 10% of purchasers play these demos much. For example, the Genesis box sets in the UK had an SACD and US issue had DVD. However, back to the original query is a deluxe box set a luxury item? If they over-price then the market place will soon let them know by not buying the product, ie unsold stock results. Luckily, if I end up writing colossal amounts – and I don’t always, only if the story needs it – the labels I’ve dealt with have understood the value of that content and stretched their budgets – and the physics of releases – to accommodate – like Topic’s ‘Anne Briggs: A Collection’ in the late 90s (c.11,000 words and 36 pages or thereabouts, in a jewel case – the limit of what was possible) or the RPM ‘Turtle Records’ clamshell set I mentioned earlier. I have just done a weeks shopping for £60 in a well known discount chain, so a Roxy box set at twice that isn’t good value to me personally, but to the many people who spend a couple of hundred quid a week in Waitrose or M and S it will be OK. Great article Paul, certainly some food for thought there. Where are you getting those numbers Simon? A musical box (UK usage; music box in US English) is an automatic musical instrument in a box which produces musical notes by using a set of pins placed on a revolving cylinder or disc to pluck the tuned teeth (or lamellae) of a steel comb.The earliest known mechanical musical instruments date back to 9th-century Baghdad. However, in my opinion, these box sets really are luxury items, be it not as straigthforward as the T-shirts Paul talks about. Everyone has one. Very interesting read. Our rule is that if the "music box" provides any space (aside from the space for the musical movement) it can also be referred as a "music jewelry box". I know two extremely good remastering engineers, including one of the absolute top in the UK, used (whether credited or not) on numerous major label projects and, for both, the fee is £350 a day. Great article as always paul More? I think that between buying a fancy t-shirt and a boxset of CDS in deluxe edition the enormous difference is the Music. And there is no doubt SOME value to these things, but think of it like a DVD with directors commentary. That said, when I want moving boxes, I do what pointilist suggests: I dumpster dive. @Nigel Hall Music Box Attic carries a huge selection of personalized music boxes, jewelry boxes, musical gifts, custom music movements and custom music boxes. However the continued delight and thrill of it could never put a price tag on my pure joy of collecting. Your email address will not be published. Excellent in every way and a real challenge to the German marques. Most professionals who repair music boxes will tell you that repairing a music box is a difficult task. You’ve done all the hard work by the re-mastering, curating etc it’s all there. I just want a decent product at a decent price. In my opinion the record companies are trying to push up the prices in order to see how far the die hard fans are willing to go. . I do enjoy the books and extra packaging but I do need to put the brakes on some of these things. The sound is so much more warm and full…. I’m aware of the th album and heard it years ago. So true… having gone to thrift store outlets, I have come across many classical and other boxsets that were deluxe for their era, expensive for the time and largely unplayed, left to be recycled. Don’t buy an Android streaming box with less than 2GB of RAM. What I do think is that IF they are going to charge the earth £100+ for an item then it ought to be definitive and spectacular. Depending on the shipping method you choose it can be anywhere from 1 to 5 business days. I definitely do take it into consideration though if it is a limited edition or signed copy. It could all have been avoided if the label had told me the notes required artist approval! Thanks, Colin and Paul. So here it is: I’m a simple guy and music is solely an auditory experience. Bought that instead and listened to the demo on Spotify I’m 25 and I am only the one of all my friends (all around the same age) that collects music. Then if you bought the album that was an additional bunch of money. I then have to ask myself, why do I purchase super deluxe editions like I do, is it because of the lovely presentation? I, too, look at value for money, and refuse to feel ripped off…the only time I will shell out a large amount of cash is for something that is truly big in size, or really REALLY rare or limited. However, I do think about when it’s time to get rid of all this stuff, who is going to want it and will it just end up in a landfill? The prices for the latter would be the same, irrespective of artist or record company. The risk can be breathtaking. Although of course the main difference between a standard jewelry box and music jewelry box is one has music and the other does not. The SW album is NEW therefore he has a great many & varied costs to cover. Someone who buys a £65 T-shirt will buy the new Roxy box set upon release without giving it a second thought. It is not that hard. Steven Wilson’s 5.1 fee? Click here for further details on our return policy. I have to disagree entirely. Thank you for a most interesting debate. I know several guys who use HF boxes and Craftsman boxes with Snap On tools inside. I really enjoy downloading the bulk of my music so it’s portable but have a weakness for unique boxes or colored vinyl and will splurge for them (and at the back of my mind resell later if I decide I really don’t need it). If I have my own box, can I send it to you to put the music in? As a fan I wanna hear everything. I remember when I was a not-so-well-off student in the 80s and already my music habits were starting to form. Spot on Nigel, I am staggered at the same old tosh that many people bring up time and time again. What is wrong with the content(s)??????? Bands are getting their money back from concert ticket prices. I think everyone has a fave (or 2 or 10) recordings & if this one is yours go get it NOW!!! HOWEVER fantastic the book is, in presentational terms, the perceived (and real) problems with price and content will overshadow it. After the year goes by you are able to add to your order a lifetime warranty for just a few bucks at checkout which covers pretty much everything you can think of. the good old / first CD pressings you mention, it’s ironic that despite there indeed being reuse of old CD masters going on very recently, presumably in order to spend as little money as possible (eg the recent Bowie box sets reuse old EMI CD masters for Ziggy, Aladdin, and Nassau Live, and the Roxy using the 1999 master), they don’t even reuse the hugely acclaimed and difficult to find ones, even when there’s quite recent high profile ones ones like the 2010 EMI Bowie Station to Station master from the album’s superdeluxe and 3CD set, or the flat transfer Roxy you mention. What also didn’t help the industry was the overnight murder of vinyl and the introduction of a very limited CD catalogue…. Finally I think it is the duplicity of companies trying to hide the run numbers that are affecting sales. I love to view this as their premiere. Just like having a color TV in the 60’s or HDTV 15 years ago, a CD player in 1984, an Ipod in 2003, etc. Weird… wasn’t aware of any posting limit. Most SDE visitors are of an age where they probably paid less than £10 or even £5 to see many of the acts featured here. (Memorabilia not necessary) Yes we do, please contact us for wholesale pricing. ones but stay away from sets that have less actual (audio/visual) content but cost more… because, in the end, I can buy other stuff for the same money. REM Automatic For The People – £80 Your account has the link which you can click on anytime to view the status of your order. They also want to compensate for all the illegal downloads that have taken place in the last 15 years or so. Honest, maybe even cheaper actually on certain things. I know of many artists who have taken MILLIONS of dollars off labels for catalog revamps because either a) they have possession of tapes the label owns the rights to but does not have in their possession or b) the label need permissions to create new editions. like is said in the article, they are not prestige items you show to people (unless in fan circles on the internet) and hence imo not luxury items. And some SDEs may be much more desired than others, e.g., McCartney’s Flowers In The Dirt is no Ram. . – CD version of all music included in the box. It’s limited to 750. Likewise you can still buy a shirt that basically does the same thing for $6 that a designer shirt does for $100, and no one complains because there is a choice a choice. you can hold the package it comes in, but the most important part, which is the music, is vibrations in the air. However those Townshend demos for me were an absolute revelation. Here is a general idea of what is available. so record companies, please d o not frustrate your major clients. Rolls-Royce makes some of the world's most luxurious and expensive cars. Are you prepared to have it sell out and risk missing it entirely or pay extortionist prices on the secondary market later? These are spot on. Personally I don’t care about 5.1; I am only interested in improving the stereo audio on reissues, deluxe or not. I was interested, particularly in the 5.1, but well over £100 kills off casual interest, which then kills off getting other deluxes that may come out for other albums. For me, it’s always about the content meaning the music. I won’t pay the same price for the Roxy Music box, though – especially as one of the three discs is a remaster from 19 years ago I already own. But the whole singularity of music, and the point you make about others not seeing or appreciating your prize purchase, is absolutely spot on. That’s what happened with the Queen Coloured Vinyl set. Try and do this for £15 and there would soon be complaints over poor reprographics or typos in the text or getting the work experience chap to do the audio and having a drop which nobody notices. Thanks Paul and all the contributors for a thoughtful and thought provoking discussion. It has to look beautiful, it can’t just look like a plain old CD. Ithink subconciously the customer has decided the Roxy set isn’t offering the correct value at the correct price point. The introduction of CD as an expensive wannahave format killed the pocket money prices of vinyl and restricted sales. A t-shirt is only a glamourous merchandise object in the market department; Music is the purest of the arts. i see people lamenting the changes in the top 40 singles charts. I agree that £130 on a single music release is less frivolous than £65 on a T-shirt (!!!) I will then finalize my listening pleasures by listening to my box sets, many unopened until that very moment. I couldn’t remember where the cigarette/poster was though but eventually found it!! The problem is that the record labels have allowed music to become devalued, so $9.99 is perceived as being expensive. I guess ‘value’ is ultimately decided by the customer. Indeed, Simon’s notes on a forthcoming Gordon Beck 3CD set on RPM, which I’ve been involved with, turned out to be so substantial – and so good – that the label took the decision to move up to clamshell box packaging (and a higher price point) to enable their publication in full. A) it’s now the most valuable revenue stream as music is turned on its head. When I read well written, well researched, interesting, informative sleevenotes I always think “I hope the writer was well paid for that”, but I suspect mostly they were not. I liked to go to gigs and i liked to buy LPs and CDs. Wow, Part 1 of my reply worked… (attached to Paul’s comment) Fingers crossed, here’s Part 2…. These days these box sets are aimed at the collector who already owns everything. Why breed ill will? The typical manufacturing and distribution cost of a standard retail text hardback is under £3, and they sell for £10-£15, so a mark-up of 400% is typical. It’s art, not a pizza. In Holland, CD buying was even more expensive. Right now I still buy quite a bit and physically it only takes up one corner of a spare bedroom. I’m eagerly awaiting yet another top notch Jethro Tull reissue ‘Heavy Horses’ which if it matches up to its predecessors, will be another well presented, excellent value set. Sorry Colin. Paul would know more about major label rates (I’ve only ever done one or two things with Sony and Universal – from memory, I was asked to name my price and probably erred on the side of not asking too much). The nature of deluxe editions, particularly from generally older bands, will appeal mainly to people of a certain age and it’s no coincidence that it is this age bracket that are noted as having more disposable income. Some fans have attempted to justify the price while others have flatly refused to pay up. Even if they reissue them in the future, there might be a much smaller audience. People want first pressings because that is generally what the artist intended it to sound like at the time – they may change their mind in 30 years, but the audience isn’t interested in the rewriting of history, they want the work as it was even with it’s flaws. Please Click here to see your choices for both domestic and international orders. To even a die-hard fan. The most expensive single CD release is a curious Japanese release from ... we will also be looking into future lists that remove box sets and multi-format releases, so stay tuned for those in coming months. A good young artist must look at this state of affairs and cry, but I guess they are used to what they grow up with. But what a great box set design tons of extras books,poster etc etc lovely in every way. Obviously that’s the nature of contracts, licences and rights to release material, but to me this is very different to cars or iPhones, and in some ways, makes them more accountable both to the customer/fan, and to the artist, dead or alive. I have many ornaments my mom use to work for hallmark I have boxes filled ..wish I could post pictures . It hasn’t gotten cheaper to make these things, people (research, mastering, manufacturing, above-referenced advances, etc). You’re sure to find a style fit for every occasion imagine. Lots of content, live material, dvds etc and worth every penny imo. It’s free! I have no problem paying more if I know that half of that money will go directly to the artist who has put his heart and soul and all of his life into creating something we have enjoyed so much. It’s hard to keep the glitter on the jewel cases which of course can’t be replaced. Free US Domestic Shipping on All Orders Call Toll Free: (866)622-8842 Our Story; Customer Service; FAQs; Blog; Shop By Note Size. the people who made the box and the art and stuff probably never even visited the recording studio where the music was made, and maybe weren’t even born then, so price your t shirts too high and people will wait for the sale or get knock offs or buy something else, price your music too high, and people will download or stream it for free, if you read certain websites for freaks who torrent, it’s the same old excuses you hear, if the industry blah blah blah and it was cheaper etc etc etc we would pay, but you know the truth is simply if you can get it for nothing, many people will get it for nothing, whether it’s legal or not, as long as they think the risk of getting caught is little to none, so price the box sets too high and fans will just download them instead, so the next set if they bother, will have a lower run, so higher cost per item, and prices go up due to economy of scale. 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